tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post5128068891802537002..comments2024-03-08T19:47:41.485+11:00Comments on Ascii Dreams: Not happyAndrew Doullhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11099404183952971291noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-66915105672544615042012-12-22T23:06:49.635+11:002012-12-22T23:06:49.635+11:00Sorry. Blogger went mental and started spamming my...Sorry. Blogger went mental and started spamming my post.RobotAcidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05506104241666362209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-39634870533203276472012-12-22T23:05:23.888+11:002012-12-22T23:05:23.888+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.RobotAcidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05506104241666362209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-36995160091759465192012-12-22T23:05:08.958+11:002012-12-22T23:05:08.958+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.RobotAcidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05506104241666362209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-60484700073865146042012-12-22T23:05:01.528+11:002012-12-22T23:05:01.528+11:00I think the poll is a nice representation of the c...I think the poll is a nice representation of the community rather than a mark of quality. It's interesting for that.<br /><br />I will say however; how the hell is my game sitting on more votes than Zaga 33 right now? That's just plain wrong. And what is Turnament doing in there, I deliberately designed it to not be classified as a roguelike (no permadeath, no calls to Math.random in the entire code base).RobotAcidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05506104241666362209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-68157125475312552682012-12-21T04:08:15.251+11:002012-12-21T04:08:15.251+11:00Help, I can't find Animeband on this list.Help, I can't find Animeband on this list.Floor is lavahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423985339165251725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-36728744657133324282012-12-19T06:35:27.121+11:002012-12-19T06:35:27.121+11:00What if the norm is three votes on that page, a ra...What if the norm is three votes on that page, a radio button in each of three categories. Then you avoid the problem and can still have a meaningful poll. In the end you can have a few trophies, "Old Hickory, aka the big five + sexy advertised" for "saplings" like Brogue, UnAngband, etc, another for best "seedling"- alphas and emergent titles. David Lairdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603751886897187024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-60925010654301374782012-12-18T13:58:19.967+11:002012-12-18T13:58:19.967+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.HunterZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17049065099652976143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-75172414249478483912012-12-18T11:21:24.117+11:002012-12-18T11:21:24.117+11:00DarkGod: I was planning on excluding Diablo 3, Tor...DarkGod: I was planning on excluding Diablo 3, Torchlight 2 and Path of Exile, but was persuaded that if we were including games like FTL, it was better to include than exclude action RPGs.Andrew Doullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11099404183952971291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-43870165485283338422012-12-18T10:44:38.240+11:002012-12-18T10:44:38.240+11:00Maybe 'pull-out' wasn't the word I sho...Maybe 'pull-out' wasn't the word I should have used... pull off I meant :PEric Michael Wykoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558900725659405013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-69481623988405951012012-12-18T10:43:26.741+11:002012-12-18T10:43:26.741+11:00I think the best we can hope for this poll right n...I think the best we can hope for this poll right now is for Noxico to pull out an unprecedented victory.Eric Michael Wykoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01558900725659405013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-87834805460408136902012-12-18T09:33:53.410+11:002012-12-18T09:33:53.410+11:00Crap Noxico is beating out Sun Crusher!!!
We ca...Crap Noxico is beating out Sun Crusher!!! <br /><br /> We can't let that happen, can we... <br /><br /><br />:-)Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09866329313708655247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-40579904040247578532012-12-18T07:49:38.870+11:002012-12-18T07:49:38.870+11:00Besides, let's talk about the real elephant in...Besides, let's talk about the real elephant in the room, Noxico somehow has 8 votes...eep.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07819328998248821217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-39176052806711290622012-12-18T07:47:20.863+11:002012-12-18T07:47:20.863+11:00I don't really think it's a big deal, thou...I don't really think it's a big deal, though removing previous winners from the general pool next year is probably a prudent move.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07819328998248821217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-27291361066513109022012-12-18T07:47:09.276+11:002012-12-18T07:47:09.276+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07819328998248821217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-53816490056979204072012-12-18T06:31:28.476+11:002012-12-18T06:31:28.476+11:00Personally I'm sure ToME4 is just the tip of t...Personally I'm sure ToME4 is just the tip of the iceberg - there is clearly widespread cheating. The only fair solution is to close the poll, declare FAangband the rightful winner and forget the whole unpleasant episode.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07923262851958039182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-84961372164737733402012-12-18T04:39:27.004+11:002012-12-18T04:39:27.004+11:00Andrew, I listen to you on Roguelike Radio (and ev...Andrew, I listen to you on Roguelike Radio (and even joined you for an episode), and you come across as a reasonable guy. However, your OP is completely offbase. Quite frankly, it is offensive and distasteful, and it generally goes against the spirit of the poll (which, generally, I view as a celebration of the entire roguelike genre).<br /><br />It is your poll, of course, and you may do with it as you please. Next year, having a separate "New roguelikes" sub-poll would be appropriate in my opinion.<br /><br />Banning previous winners from winning again? Uh, that doesn't make much sense to me. I thought one of the primary purposes of this poll was to get more people to discover other roguelikes, which is also justification for including the likes of Diablo in the poll. If you exclude a major fanbase, then they won't see all the other wonderful roguelikes out there.<br /><br />As for ToME4... three years ago it didn't even exist! It is a young roguelike built from the ground up primarily by a single individual. There is no reason another new roguelike can't do the same thing and become a major roguelike that can compete in this poll. The fact that ToME4 has won two in a row is a testament to the great work that DarkGod has done year-in, year-out. ToME4 has made huge advancements in the past year, and ought to be able to compete in this poll against other rogulikes that have no doubt made advancements too.<br /><br />I don't know how DarkGod does what he does, but I want him to continuing doing it, and (falsely) accusing him of cheating--and not rescinding the accusation--is not helpful in the slightest.<br /><br />*Disclaimer: I help contribute to ToME4, and I also voted for more than one game in the poll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-6928971583586046752012-12-18T04:38:49.446+11:002012-12-18T04:38:49.446+11:00Solution: create two pollls.
Poll N°2: Which of t...Solution: create two pollls.<br /><br />Poll N°2: Which of the games that have won a "Roguelike of the Year" award in the past has progressed the most this year?<br /><br />Poll N°1: same as has always been, except games that have already won a "Roguelike of the Year" award are excluded (see above).<br /><br />Think of it as a "Hall of Fame". Once you're in, you're in another league.erdraughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05700305194890893285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-59213711193470511532012-12-18T04:12:37.251+11:002012-12-18T04:12:37.251+11:00I too don't see cheating afoot, though I'd...I too don't see cheating afoot, though I'd say this is a capital watershed moment to perhaps pencil in to have multiple award categories reckoned for next year to allow for multiple spotlights to be shined about.Brian Jeffearshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15444299963610329817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-28602052125322849502012-12-18T03:55:22.538+11:002012-12-18T03:55:22.538+11:00Capcha cant hurt, although I fail to see the relev...Capcha cant hurt, although I fail to see the relevance to the subject at hand: there was NO CHEATING. Votes have been made by humans.Linaniil of the Kar'Krulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13024097676060828945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-60020500510232709722012-12-18T03:47:33.785+11:002012-12-18T03:47:33.785+11:00CAPTCHA suggested. And discount the popular ones w...CAPTCHA suggested. And discount the popular ones with a notice, like "POPULAR", or mark the new games with "NEW".nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11850184590697502852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-51352659213507344902012-12-18T03:04:54.489+11:002012-12-18T03:04:54.489+11:00The problem is that TOME4 is two very different th...The problem is that TOME4 is two very different things. It's a well-integrated Steam-like platform for roguelike games, and it's the flagship game on the platform. The communication that happens in the TOME4 platform is one of the major draws to it for players, and it is (I think) very easy to see why DarkGod would be comfortable advertising the poll there -- because the feature exists <i>for</i> that kind of communication.<br /><br />Anyone else with games there could do the same!<br /><br />(At the same time, I'll admit I'm squeamish even at game-specific forum mentions.)Joshua Dayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14664268603479430836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-88405335694733055442012-12-18T02:59:33.794+11:002012-12-18T02:59:33.794+11:00"This reveals an inherent problem with the po..."This reveals an inherent problem with the poll - it becomes a measure of who has the largest fanbase and can motivate their fans the most."<br /><br />What exactly is the poll supposed to be the measure of, if not which roguelike is played extensively and enjoyed continuously by the greatest number of people?<br /><br />If some people care about the poll, and thus advertise it to their fan base, and encourage them to vote, why is this unfair just because others do not?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000454887945611703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-77387113883162888822012-12-18T02:12:07.074+11:002012-12-18T02:12:07.074+11:00Damn it. 'fairness' means 'LACK OF fai...Damn it. 'fairness' means 'LACK OF fairness'.<br /><br />DarkGod said: <br />"If you want this poll to be for new upcoming RL, this sounds great to me, but then do not include any of ToME, DCSS, DF, Brogue, ...<br />(which I could support BTW)"<br /><br />I'd agree with this to be honest.<br /><br />Not to kick you in the shins repeatedly, but the poll is so freeform and skewed it just seems silly to me to then start making objections of any kind, Mr Doull.Holsetyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06631119179902223365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-74056691375433262652012-12-18T02:07:32.309+11:002012-12-18T02:07:32.309+11:00I don't think even Diablo 3 players are happy ...I don't think even Diablo 3 players are happy with Diablo 3.<br /><br />As for the 'fairness' of using an in-exe link, I'm not seeing it.<br /><br />The games with the biggest fanbases are going to dominate no matter what.<br />Or did you think the majority of votes for ToME/Crawl/Dredmor/Isaac did NOT come from players who play that game mainly/only?<br /><br />By telling people not to advertise/link the poll in-game you're limiting your voting audience to<br />a) people who've read about the poll on the forum of the roguelike they play; ie. pretty much only the roguelikes with the big fanbases (ToME/Crawl/Dredmor/Isaac) :)<br />b) people who visit this blog or another roguelike community site, like the Temple or the Basin.<br /><br />So really, you can object to ToME having an ingame link to the poll, but it would likely get the message across just as effectively with its forum and ingame chat.<br /><br />I doubt your objections have any basis considering the state of things for the past few years :pHolsetyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06631119179902223365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2208890564265615027.post-55122581298933171922012-12-18T00:22:55.202+11:002012-12-18T00:22:55.202+11:00DarkGod: Checking back, what prompted my memory of...DarkGod: Checking back, what prompted my memory of multiple nags was that I'd seen the request multiple places: at game log-in every time, at least once as an in-game announcement, and at the website.<br /><br />As for my "limited-Berlin-coherence" tangent: http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation. We could probably argue anywhere from 6/9 to 9/9 match between TOME and the major points, but the things I've been thinking about most (resource use, identification) aren't such a big part of TOME - which I know is intentional.Tom Hudsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295247089905712338noreply@blogger.com